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Jim,

Glad to see you back on the Forum. Wanted to let you know that my brother-in-law has been taking Seroctin for about a month. His chiropractor told him about it. He travels on business two weeks out of the month and has problems with jet lag and sleep. That's the reason his chiropractor suggested Seroctin. Thus, I don't know if he's been shown to have low serotonin levels. Anyway, he LOVES it. Says it took about 8 days to kick in completely but he felt different in a good way after a few days on it. He is also taking pycnogenol (don't know the brand) and has been for some time to address his circulation problems. He wouldn't be without pycnogenol as he says it has "cured" his restless leg syndrome and given him greater energy.

Anyway, here's the interesting part....(This comes courtesy of my sister-in-law as my brother-in-law certainly wouldn't be telling me this). She says that ever since he started on the Seroctin, his libido is back and the transient impotence he often experienced is gone. Is this a normal "effect" from the Seroctin??? Could it replace Viagra???

Laddy 111,

This should probably be on another posting since we're talking about panic attacks and anxiety on this one. However, the short answer is "yes." I work with a lot of male patients who have ED, some due to prostate issues and some due to emotional trauma. I address them all individually. However, I've been using a trio of supplements lately with great success. I base this on a study done on L-arginine and Pycnogenol to address ED. Won't bore you with the study but suffice to say that male participants who suffered from ED were given 120 mg./day of pycnogenol and 1.5 grams of l-arginine in divided doses. Within one month, 80% of the men reported complete success. The other 20% of men reported moderate success. So, the study concluded that a combo of pycnogenol and l-arginine was a genuine treatment for ED. I added the Seroctin to the mix at 4 to 6 capsules/day and found that it created an even better libido boost, along with relieving stress-related ED. So, it seems that your brother-in-law stumbled onto the mix (minus the l-arginine) and proved the results on his own. Pycnogenol does wonders for prostatitis and Seroctin, I've just learned, has been used in Europe for a shrunken prostate, so there is a viable connection to WHY it works.

Hi Jim.

I have read the article on Serenity the real time mood management, and claims to help with stress and nervous disorders or if you need a positive outlook on life. Does this form of herbal help with aggraphobia and panick? of course i also suffer with all of the above and my main concern is stress levels at present which I feel brings on my panick especially when I am presented with my weekly shopping spree this sound marvelous but Im always unsure of some of the adverts across the web?

Monaa,

"Serenity" is a trade name for a specific lithium orotate supplement with a patented enteric coating around the capsule. Some say the enteric coating helps assimilation and prevents stomach problems in certain sensitive individuals. It also makes the capsule a bit more expensive then just plain ol' lithium orotate. If you can get either Serenity or just the plain non-enteric coated lithium orotate, give it a try. Frankly, there is an ND named Dr. Jonathan Wright who is this maverick doc (very cutting edge in his approach to cancer and chronic illness) who practices in Tahoma, Washington. Has a website: www tahoma-clinic dot com and on that website you will see one or two articles he has penned on the Lithium—The Missing Mineral. He is VERY high on the stuff and believes that anybody should take it as it is missing in so many mineral panels he does of his patients. I've actually tried lithium orotate (5mg.) before bedtime to see if it helps sleep patterns. It did not discernably do anything for me in that department but it did level out mild anxiousness at one instance. But remember, I'm not a good candidate to tell you whether lithium orotate works or doesn't since I don't present with the symptoms it addresses. My patients who I have on it are happy with it. However, it's like I said, there seems to be a point where one needs more than just lithium orotate to support their depression/anxiety picture.

Hi Jim

Thanks for that I do some from IBS badly on a daily basis especially when I am due to go anywhere outside or on a short journey and have done for the past 20 years and it seems that since I started having panick attacks it has got worse. I was told to try Bowel essence drops from the herb shop as well as simple dia-calm on occourences I do understand that this is down to me being nervous all the time so maybe it would help in this particular area.

Hello Everybody -

Today is day 6 of taking the seroctin. I must say that I am feeling much calmer. I've had a bit of a stressful weekend and I made it through. Yes, I was stressed and still am but I am not feeling as irrational as I normally would. Positive thinking I guess!

Has anyone else started taking it? Are you having the same affect?

omega 3 fish oil tablets helped me alot in overcoming depression.

Hi Naydies, sorry I have not yet recieved my order but I cant wait to give it a try! It should be sometime this week I hope and keep my fingers crossed but well done to you for getting over a very stressful weekend all on your own. I took some advise and purchased a Homeopathic remedy called Aconitum napellus and I love this I was really calm when I was out at the weekend in the Car which normally I would have had at least 1 panick attack. I jumped for joy when I got home.

Naydies,

Glad to know the Seroctin is working for you. Do consider the Maratime Pine Plus pycnogenol as a booster for it if you can. The only difference between this product and regular pycnogenol is that it has the potentiating agent called Bioprene and two additional pine bark compounds that catalyze the anti-oxidant effect. Both my wife and I take the pycnogenol every day and are benefitting from it tremendously.

Once your moods are better stabilized, I encourage you to see if you can find a homeopathic remedy that will address the core issues. Again, I like Seroctin because it calms and creates a better more open emotional environment for the introduction of homeopathy. In the end, I do believe that homeopathy when PROPERLY advised and given, is the ultimate balancer of emotional problems. I've seen this work again and again.

jim...thank you so much for all of your insight on seroctin. i began taking it on friday (4 days ago) in hopes of relieving anxiety and depression.
i have noticed a vast improvement with sleep patterns. over the past month i have been waking at 2 a.m. each night..unable to fall back asleep. i have slept quite soundly over the past 3 nights.
my question is....should i be experiencing sleepiness? it seems that i become very sleepy midafternoon and early evenings...is this normal?

jim...thank you so much for all of your insight on seroctin. i began taking it on friday (4 days ago) in hopes of relieving anxiety and depression.
i have noticed a vast improvement with sleep patterns. over the past month i have been waking at 2 a.m. each night..unable to fall back asleep. i have slept quite soundly over the past 3 nights.
my question is....should i be experiencing sleepiness? it seems that i become very sleepy midafternoon and early evenings...is this normal?

Flowertea,

Glad to know Seroctin is helping to regulate sleep patterns. Waking at 2am on a regular basis signals that there is some imbalance with your liver (the liver detoxes from 1am to 3am). This can be anything from a hormone problem (since the helps metabolize hormones, among other things!) to simply a sluggish liver. There should not be any mid day or afternoon tiredness as a result of Seroctin. Just a calmer approach to life. How many capsules are you taking and when are you taking them?

i have taken 4 capsules in the morning and 4 in the evening....

I recommend people start with either three in the morning and three in the late afternoon or evening OR three in the morning and two in the late afternoon or evening. Experiment with one of these choices and see if the afternoon tiredness is resolved. I always suggest starting with a lesser dose than is recommended on the bottle and then work up if needed. The only caviat to this is using pcynogenol as it must be dosed based upon weight.

Jim,
I would like to find a homeopathic remedy that would work for me also. I guess I'll just wait, as you said, and then move forward. Again, thanks for bringing this to our attention. It seems that it is helping a couple of us so far. HOpefully more soon!

Monaa,
Glad to hear you made it through a car ride. So what is Aconitum napellus for exactly? I'm assuming this is homeopathic.

Well, i pray we all continue to move forward, up and out of this.

Morning Naydies.

Aconitum napellus: is for the following:

A panic attack that comes on suddenly with very strong fear may indicate this remedy. A state of immense anxiety may be accompanied by strong palpitations, shortness of breath, and flushing of the face. Sometimes a shaking experience will be the underlying cause. Strong feelings of anxiety may also occur when a person is just beginning to come down with a flu or cold.

also there was a remedy called Gelsemium: which is for the following symptoms:

Feelings of weakness, trembling, and mental dullness (being “paralyzed by fear”) suggest a need for this remedy. It is often helpful when a person has stage-fright about a public performance or interview, or feels anxious before a test, a visit to the dentist, or any stressful event. Chills, perspiration, diarrhoea, and headaches will often occur with nervousness. Fear of crowds, a fear of falling, and even a fear that the heart might stop are other indications for Gelsemium.

The above 2 Homeopathic remedies are tiny small white tablets which you place under your tongue 3 tablets 3 times a day. It works for me.

Hi everyone.

postman has just been and I have recieved my Seroctin, wow fast delivery so lets see from here how it goes?

I can't wait to give it a go!

thank you jim...i will decrease the dosage to 3 in the a.m. and 2 in the evening for a week or so and then gradually increase. thank you for your insight and wisdom.

melissa

You are welcome, Flowertea/Melissa.

Just visited with one of my more "hard core" anxiety patients this morning. A male, aged 62, who suffers from low self confidence, ED, poor concentration, lack of initiative and anxiety and panic attacks. He started coming to me on and off about three years ago. We have worked with about five various homeopathic remedies, two of which helped him (Nux and Belladonna). There has been a gradual "softening" of his rigid attitude toward really finding a long range CURE for his problems. Remember, as an old herbalist once said, "There are no incurable diseases; just incurable patients." This guy was of the belief that natural stuff worked but it took so long and drugs were a more direct approach, even though they caused him so many physical problems (i.e., side effects.) So, for much of the last three years, I've been combatting a mind set that, I think, has prevented him from turning that corner.

Okay, so four weeks ago I encouraged him to try that Maratime Pine Plus super dooper pycnogenol to address his circulatory system and just as a great antioxidant to slow aging. (He is feeling the effects of age and hating it.) Within about six days of taking the pycnogenol, he called to say he felt a massive relief in his knee and hip pain. This made him feel as if he could do more on his farm. (He's a gentleman farmer and has not been able to get on his tractor and mower for about 18 months due to his various physical pains.) So, for the last three weeks, he's been plowing and mowing and now, planting trees and vegetables. He said that he's seeing tactile accomplishment—and feels proud that HE did it and did not have to hire it out to some kid. So, now we have a sense of PRIDE and CONFIDENCE building. Hmmm, I thought. He came back to see me less than two weeks ago to pick up another bottle of Maratime Pine Plus and I decided to just give him a bottle of Seroctin since he was still battling that edge of anxiety on a daily basis. He has also consistently tested low for serotonin and has struggled with sleep problems (tired in the early evening but restless all night long.) He figured it was a free bottle, so why not?

Well, during our visit this morning, he declared that he is feeling a distinct difference in his mind. While he cannot put his finger on it, he feels as if "the edges are getting more round" and he's willing to take more risks to find the things he wants/likes to do. Yes, there is still some anxiety there but it is more conquerable.

One thing I want to stress here is that Seroctin or anything natural that is used to calm anxiety is not meant to ERASE the feeling completely. We are not trying to create zombies. FEELING is okay. CRYING is okay. Having a depressed day is not a terrible thing. It's just when those become unmanageable and crippling that they are out of control. So, what I'm saying is that Seroctin seems to calm those edges but it still allows you to feel and have some anxious moments if they are warranted. Hey, some people NEED to feel anxious. It's their body's way of telling them that their intuitive gut is trying to tell them something! It's just being able to separate a passing moment of normal anxiety from genuine fear. It's like someone said earlier on this thread about how depressed people and anxious people are naturally more sensitive than others. I do believe this. It's why Belladonna works so beautifully for many people who "live in their heads" and "let their minds rule their actions." I don't wish to quell anyone's sensitive nature—just calm it down a bit so that they can operate in this world that is too often insensitive and callous.

Yes, I'm going to have to agree with you John. This Seroctin is working well at lessening the edginess. I'm feeling quit well. Its a wonderful product that you have brought to our attention.

I believe that is was me who said that we are extremely sensitive creatures. But maybe not! That is what has brought us into this world of anxiety. I cannot stress how important it is to for us to educate ourselves in teh subject of anxiety, panic attacks and depression. It wasn't until I started reading about it that I truly understood what it was. Through learning I have started to heal. I realized that I am creating this myself. Yes, myself! I am and have always been a negative thinker. Well when I become anxious I think to myself...oh, no I"m going to have a panic attack. Well, guess what follows, a panic attack. I brought it on myself. There are so many excellent books on the subject for any of you who are interested. Dr. Claire Weekes is considered a top expert on the subject. She has a couple of excellent books out there. Also, Lucinda Bassett has a program called "Attacking anxiety and panic" (I believe) although it is quit expensive. I have purchased it though and I am at week three. Its definitely beneficial. Again, I we need to educate ourselves so that we aren't afraid of the anxiety but accepting of it. It is then that the anxiety and panic will subside and will no longer control our life but we will control it.

Anyway, I wont ramble on anymore. Again, If I can be of any help to anyone here please just ask.

Thank you John for all the help that you have brought us in this forum. I'm loving Seroctin and your information.

Keep up the good work guys!

Another thing, get OFF the caffeine. At least for now, you will be able to drink it again but not until you can settle down a bit. Our nerves are just to sensitized to be drinking it. It leads me right into high anxiety.

Just a tip!

Good for you, Naydies. Excellent! I am always amazed and happy when someone tells me that they are finally recognizing that THEY are in charge of their feelings and are willing to step back, be brave and see where THEY have gotten in their own way on the healing path! If there were more people out there, Naydies, who were willing to do what you've done (see that YOU had gotten in your own way and that YOU had a habit of thinking with negative thoughts), we'd have a world full of people who shunned blame, took responsibility and became PROACTIVE toward better mental/physical health!!! What a world that would be!!! I just have to say that it's had to do all this when you are under the blanket of a drug that prevents clear thought and reason. That's why it's so difficult to help someone whose body is battling the effects of the drug and the malady. How can these people do that AND accept the responsibility for their own lives and where their choices and thoughts have brought them???

Forgot to mention that the 62 year old male I just mentioned informed me that his ED is no longer a problem. This is a major breakthrough as it shows how connected the mind is to something like ED. All it takes is one time for a guy to not "perform" and the fear kicks in. The mind takes over and the battle starts. Before you know it, he is diagnosed with ED and taking drugs to "fix" the problem. But those drugs are not fixing his troubled mindset. Thus, calm the mind and suddenly the barrier is removed. In my patient's case, I think it's important that, because of his age, he is taking the pycnogenol which increases circulation throughout the body....includiung the genitals. Thus, there is a combo effort going on in his case. Yes, I realize this is off subject from the intended original post but his anxiety and panic attacks were certainly connected in a big way to his ED.

The mind is so powerful. Treat the mind and the body will follow.

Hi all.

well took 3 Seroctin before bed and fell asleep on the couch only to wake up at 12.00pm today wow what a sleep I then took 3 today I feel a little floaty today but I imagine its just till my body gets used to the tablets. is it normal to sleep this long? or did my body just need the rest.

Monaa

I don't know but I would probably guess that your body needed the rest. it didn't do that for me. I haven't been getting much sleep at all but this is due to some stressful situations that I'm dealing with right now.

The floaty feeling I definitely didn't get. Just give it some time and see how you feel.

I hope you receive some positive results from this product. It sure has calmed my nerves and I hope it just gets better.

Monaa,

I would say that your body needed the deep and long sleep. I assume the sleep was deep? So far, with my group of five here that are on Seroctin (obviously not a broad test group), none of them have experienced that kind of sleep pattern. If you have been stressed and anxious for a long time, your body may be in a state of such tension that sleep was not restful and there were frequent awakenings? Is this correct? If so, the Seroctin MAY ( I don NOT know for certain) be helping you sleep longer to make up for the lack of rest you have had for....how long? I knew a man once years ago who never slept more than four hours a night due to a nervous demeanor. I put him on a mixture of valerian, passionflower and chamomile (a very mild mix of all) and he slept for 18 hours straight! He woke up feeling drugged and called me in a furious state to accuse me of giving him an illicit drug to get him to sleep. When I assured him that I did not give an illicit drug, he calmed down but he could not believe that a little herb had done such a thing. Frankly, I had a hard time believing it too. The only thing I could come up with is that he had not had a decent night's sleep in over 20 years. I'd say his body was due for a good long rest and his body gave it to him. It took him a few weeks of long rests before his body was happy and he transitioned eventually to 7 to 9 hours of sleep every night with the help of some herbal tablets.

Just see how your body responds over the next few days with the Seroctin. I'd take 3 in the morning and 2 at night for the time being and see how that feels. Adjust at your discretion.